Darren Franich
October 03, 2013 AT 10:00 PM EDT

Bad news: Breaking Bad is over. Good news: Now we get to spend the rest of our lives figuring out just what Breaking Bad was all about. On the new episode of our Entertainment Geekly podcast, Jeff Jensen and I dig deep into the Bad series finale. Some things we liked. Other things — hello, Schwartzes! — we’re not so sure about. Other topics include: A new theory about what makes a good series finale, how the idea of the “Bad Fan” affected our collective perspective of the final season, and why nobody (not even Hank) was a hero on Breaking Bad.

Listen to the complete podcast below or check us out in the iTunes store. Tweet arguments and counterarguments to us at @EWDocJensen and @DarrenFranich.

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