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Natalie Abrams
October 30, 2015 AT 12:00 PM EDT

Each week, executive producer Betsy Beers goes behind the scenes of Grey’s Anatomy, Scandaland How to Get Away with Murder in her podcast, Shondaland Revealed — and each week, EW will have an exclusive first listen of the latest episode.

This week, Beers catches up with Scandal star Scott Foley to discuss Jake’s big loss in Thursday’s episode. Be warned: The duo play a Scandal drinking game, in which they have to take a sip every time one of them says “Olivia,” so play along at your peril. Foley also divulges how much he knows about Jake’s past and his real name!

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Scandal airs Thursdays at 9 p.m. ET on ABC.

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