As it were.
ROACH: Ha! It became a dynamic-range issue. I wasn't sure it was
funny enough to earn its way in. But audiences went crazy.
Of course, one of the pleasures of a broad comedy is seeing
the punchline coming. You know as soon as that truck pulls into
the muddy yard what's going to happen.
ROACH: Once you know that's the way the joke's going to work, it's
my favorite thing to just stretch it out as long as I possibly
can. It's like the banana-peel-on-the-ground gag. You always have
to cut to the close-up of the banana peel way before the guy
walks over and slips on it if you want a real laugh.
STILLER: Jay knows all the comedy rules and laws. Seriously. He
has all these technical terms for these really specific setups.
ROACH: Most of which I inherited from Mike Myers, who I think
inherited it from [Second City pooh-bah] Del Close and Lorne
Michaels. Mike is amazing at categorizing and theorizing. I
always argue with Mike, ''Oh, come on, there's no rule about
what's funny.'' And here I come to this movie and I'm reciting
rules. Usually just to win an argument.
Do you have comedy idols?
DE NIRO: When I was a kid, I used to love Abbott and Costello, and
the Frankenstein movies, the originals, in black and white. And I
remember thinking ''You know it'd be great if Abbott and Costello
could meet Frankenstein.'' And one day there it was! I thought it
was a new movie. And that was made way before I was born,
probably, right?
It was made in 1948.
DE NIRO: '48, was it? Well, maybe it was just out when I was a
kid. I used to go to a place called the Laugh Movie on 42nd
Street. On the outside of the theater, they had these giant heads
of Laurel and Hardy and Chaplin, and the heads would go back and
forth. [He imitates the movements with his hands in front of his
face.] I might have been 5 or 6. We were very young when we went
to this theater, and we went by ourselves. Took the subway. Not
like today, where your parents take you.
STILLER: I grew up watching Abbott and Costello on Sunday mornings
on channel 11. I was into all of their films. I was getting them
the second time around, but to me that was a big, influential
thing.
ROACH: Any modern guys?
DE NIRO: Bill Murray, Robin Williams, Chris Rock, Greg Kinnear.
The original Saturday Night Live bunch, especially Belushi, were
great. Are great.
STILLER: Bill Murray. I was a teenager when Caddyshack came out.
ROACH: Have you worked with him?
STILLER: No, never. But I remember memorizing Murray's entire
part. All his monologues.
So, Bob and Ben, since you've both done both, what's
harder comedy or drama?
DE NIRO: Comedy and drama are just different, not necessarily
easier or harder. I couldn't do certain things that many other
comics can do or that dramatic actors can do. I believe that
subtlety of humor, I've got. Irony, that's what I know. I do
behavior and stuff that's what I do best.
STILLER: [To De Niro] I look at your dramatic movies, especially
your early ones, and there's always humor.
DE NIRO: Taxi Driver, there's a lot of funny stuff in it. Really.